Thread: Villarreal - Bayern Munich
by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 7:49 PM CEST
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Matchday 1. Our return to the Champions League. The German giant comes to town. Enough said.
No Arjen Robben, but Bayern Munich will be plenty dangerous up front with Mario Gómez, Thomas Müller, and Franck Ribéry. It's a different story on the back end, and that's what Villarreal must exploit.
Villarreal is without Borja Valero (suspension), and Joan Oriol has been left out by manager Juan Carlos Garrido. So there will be at least two changes to our "typical" XI, and likely more.
Here's what I would like to see:
I think the match will be won in the central midfield. How will Carlos Marchena, Marcos Senna, and/or Bruno Soriano compete with Bastian Schweinsteiger (a natural wing player) and Brazilian Luis Gustavo? If we control the tempo and limit Bayern's counterattacks, we stand a good chance to earn a result.
Keep an eye on Napoli away to Manchester City, the other match in Group A. Should be another cracker, even if the Italians have only played one top flight match this season. A draw there would be perfect for us.
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Bayern XI
Neuer
Boateng – van Buyten – Badstuber – Lahm
Tymoschuk – Schweinsteiger
Müller – Kroos – Ribery
Gomez
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 7:53 PM CEST reply actions
Garrido seems concerned about the midfield too
without Borja, the 4-3-1-2 with Bruno/Senna/Marchena looks quite defensive. A lot of pressure on De Guzman to form the link with the top two, and I am not sure where the width in our formation is going to come from
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It does make sense though
It’s an effective way to slow down the match. And give Marchena credit: he’s dealt out a fair number of assists from that role.
Senna is the key in terms of helping out going forward. Does he have the legs?
It’s also an easy formation to slide around a bit. Bring Wakaso or Cani in for Senna at the half, and we shift back to the regular 4-2-2-2.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 7:58 PM CEST up reply actions
yes it seems a formation for the first half, or perhaps the first 60 minutes
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:02 PM CEST up reply actions
Villarreal XI
Lopez
Mario – Zapata – Musacchio – Catalá
Senna – Marchena – Bruno
De Guzmán
Nilmar – Rossi
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 7:54 PM CEST reply actions
Comments on formations
Advantage to us in terms of ball recovery. Advantage to them going forward.
So we absolutely have to keep possession tonight.
van Buyten is slow but effective from set pieces. Nilmar could have a field day, and maybe even get him sent off :) . Perhaps that’s wishful thinking.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 7:55 PM CEST reply actions
by the way...
JC Garrido becomes the first head coach from the Valencian Community to coach a team in the Champions League proper.
Just thought I would break the tension with my usual unimportant trivia.
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More trivia
to kill the time before kick off.
How many current Villarreal players have previous experience in the Champions League (excluding preliminary rounds)?
Senna and Gonzalo
Are the holdovers from the semifinals.
From the quarterfinals: Diego Lopez, Rossi, Angel(?). And I think Nilmar played in his old stint with Lyon. So I’ll say 6.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 8:13 PM CEST up reply actions
And I forgot Cesar
With Valencia and maybe even Real Madrid.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 8:14 PM CEST up reply actions
And Marchena
It’s a good thing I don’t do this much.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 8:15 PM CEST up reply actions
hmmmm......
Senna
Gonzalo
Bruno
Rossi
Lopez
Marchena
who else…
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:14 PM CEST up reply actions
me too.
i forgot Nilmar with Lyon. I think Diego Lopez played for Madrid in the CL too.
Are we forgetting anyone? Did De Guzman play in the CL for Feyonoord? I know he played in Europe but dont remember which competition
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I can't think of any more
than the ones you guys named.
I will be able to follow the first half of this one, but then have to do a deposition at 3. Ugh.
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Almost there...
The big miss was Cani and the unexpected one Borja, who had one game for Real Madrid in 06/07. Marchena has the most games, 21 with Valencia and Cesar has 20, 16 with Rel Madrid and 4 with Valencia.
damn, how could I forget Cani????
Borja was tricky! Did Bruno play in CL before?
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:28 PM CEST up reply actions
Yes
Six survivors from the 08/09 season. Lopez, Ángel, Senna, Gonzalo, Bruno,and Rossi
Lineup?
What do you guys think of the two lineups?
by Sporting_Villarreal on Sep 14, 2011 8:24 PM CEST reply actions
I actually am not too surprised at ours
I think Garrido wants to make sure we slow things down and don’t give up an early goal. Cani or Wakaso wouldn’t have played 90 minutes anyway (and we are pretty sure Senna will not) so I like starting in a 4-3-1-2 and then switching to 4-2-2-2 if need be.
The real issue—and this would be true regardless of whatever lineup Garrido chose—is we’ve only played 2 league games and been down to 10 men for most of one, so we really have no idea what our best lineup is. It’s a lot of pressure for players like Zapata and De Guzman who have just joined the team, as well as players like Catala and Senna (though a veteran) who have hardly seen any action so far.
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:27 PM CEST up reply actions
personally,
I am not a fan of the 4-3-1-2. I think it is too defensive under the circumstances. Clearly Garrido wants to keep this scoreless through the first hour or so and then open things up, but being that we are playing in El Madrigal, I really think that we should take the initiative ourselves and apply the pressure. If we act scared, it will be reflected at the end of the day in the scoreline, and we will be taking 0 points out of the encounter.
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I would agree with you if we had Borja
because then I think we could have put Cani out there and attacked with Borja and Cani on the wings. Without him….
I thought we might have put Bruno at LB instead of Catala, played 4-4-2 w/Cani, Senna, Marchena, de Guzman but I don’t see any clear argument for one over the other
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:34 PM CEST up reply actions
i guess 'experience in the Champions League' means playing in it.
So I am not sure about Bruno. he might have been on the bench one or twice, I honestly don’t know. I forgot about Angel. Oops.
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Ángel
had 7 matches with Celta in 03/04 as well as Villarreal.
wow, yes.
Had forgotten about Celta!!!
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by Allen Dodson on Sep 14, 2011 8:35 PM CEST up reply actions
streams
just to note the first one on rojadirecta works fine. I haven’t tried any others. If someone finds one they particularly like, do post it
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i am unable to watch -
who’s fault? a breakdown, or just bad luck?
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From UEFA
Graham Hunter, El Madrigal: What a sensational goal. Franck Ribéry draws Marcos Senna and Marió Gaspar to him, cuts the ball back to the edge of the box and Kroos’s volley whizzes past Diego López.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 8:57 PM CEST reply actions
thanks, Sid
that is the most detailed stuff out there for being unable to watch.
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possible handball penalty not given in 10'
Nilmar’s shot hit the turning Badstuber on the elbow—he did have his arm in close to his body which probably saved him
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I see deGuz taking corners
How do they look? We’ve improved on that a lot since Borja arrived.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 9:00 PM CEST reply actions
not good so far
hit them too long and deep.
Rafinha in, Van Buyten out (injury)
DeGuz needs to settle down a bit, he’s not been able to control the ball well so far
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Cani needed!!
I think we need Cani. We are lacking in creativity.
by Sporting_Villarreal on Sep 14, 2011 9:16 PM CEST reply actions
We need a right back.
and a plan!!
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 9:19 PM CEST reply actions
yes. we are being dominated in last 10-12 min
only attack from us is long pass searching for someone
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Nice Offside Traps
The only thing saving us at the moment are those offside traps.
by Sporting_Villarreal on Sep 14, 2011 9:27 PM CEST reply actions
Boateng at CB
We have to exploit that more.
I expected Ribery to run riot over Mario. That’s why I wanted Cani in to help him out.
How does our midfield look? Sounds poor so far.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 9:30 PM CEST reply actions
Just need to grab an odd goal
Any ways possible. Then we can wake up and look for the winner.
It’s all still possible, boys. And I’ll get to watch the second half :) .
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 9:31 PM CEST reply actions
0-1 HT
Well, we survived it. At least somewhat. Now it’s time for our half.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 9:32 PM CEST reply actions
HT 0-1
and yes, Ribery is running riot over Mario.
Marchena has actually been the best of our midfield, I think.
We were only in it during a short period from mins15-20, mins 27-40 we were definitely hanging on
De Guzman hasn’t really had time to dribble, which is what he wants to do. We need a quick touch to break down the defense—without that, we’ve resorted to long hopeful balls in search of Rossi or Nilmar.
Cani needs to come in to start the second half.
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another bad half from Villarreal.
Is our team that bad or is it Gerrido ? or a mix?
Our midfielders move up to slow, so Nilmar and Rossi have to go through 5-6 players… It could happen, but isn’t likely to.
Really disappointed about what we are showing!
First CL-match in the season in El madrigal and this is what we bring!!
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 9:40 PM CEST reply actions
Well, don't forget it's Garrido's first CL game
and we have only had two games in the league.
In retrospect the problem with Garrido’s formation is De Guzman may be sitting behind Rossi and Nilmar, but without any width we’re essentially playing 3 against 4. So when De Guzman does get the ball he is tightly marked. Compare that to Bayern who are spreading the field beautifully.
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Changing Gear
I thought the last few minutes, we moved the ball well. Should start pushing up more in the next half and keep possession. That is always the key to our game.
by Sporting_Villarreal on Sep 14, 2011 9:45 PM CEST reply actions
FANTASTIC save from Diego.
Almost whet down with 2 in the first minute.
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 9:48 PM CEST reply actions
Midfield enforcers carded
Marchena and Tymoshchuk, one for each side.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 9:59 PM CEST reply actions
Ruben for Nilmar
we are pushing forward more with Cani in there, but we are also leaving ourselves more open. Lopez has made a couple of fine saves to keep us in it. We need the big body to get on Neuer up front
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Ruben on for Nilmar in 58'
Admission of an error by Garrido?
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:01 PM CEST reply actions
Plenty of time left, boys
Crowd sounds great too. Let’s get them a goal.
DeGuz needs to be more active. More pace, more bluster.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:05 PM CEST reply actions
Nice save in 65'
Another one from Diego Lopez. We’re losing it now…
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM CEST reply actions
Marchena down in 66'
Run into by Marco Ruben. Hope he’s OK…running off now.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:07 PM CEST reply actions
How did Kroos not score?
Hit the post from a tight angle but an empty net. In 69’. We are turning the ball over left and right. Ugly.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:10 PM CEST reply actions
Diego Lopez should be praised
even we end up having no point
Zapata is a beast
Great find by us. Playing all over the back four.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:13 PM CEST reply actions
Garrido just doesn't risk like that
When the chips are down, he wants the old guys in. So they better produce.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 PM CEST up reply actions
Final change: Camunas for de Guzman
In 72’. Time for experience to factor in. Back to our typical formation.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:13 PM CEST reply actions
0-2 in 76'
Rafinha just embarrassed our defender there. Not sure how it went in, just a very hard shot.
Game over.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:17 PM CEST reply actions
Failure by both players
Bruno nutmegged, Lopez beaten when his hand was down on it. At the near post.
1,400 happy fans tonight.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 PM CEST up reply actions
0-2
Rafinha skins Bruno. Oof. Diego Lopez no chance. No points here to day, boys. Man City equalizes at least
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Kolarov 1-1 Cavani
That’s the best news so far.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:19 PM CEST reply actions
we are lucky if marchena
finish on the pitch…
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 10:20 PM CEST reply actions
We need to show something
In the last few minutes. Bayern is an extremely good team, and it’s no shame to lose. But we’re still in this group, particularly with the draw in the other match.
Play in their end a bit, please. They’re Barca-ing us now.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:21 PM CEST reply actions
Zapata is our only defender
Able to bring the ball out from the back. That’s so important in our system. Which is why Angel is desperately needed (and what Capdevila still had to contribute).
Our passing, yuck. Basic stuff.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:23 PM CEST reply actions
We have no pride in the match tonight.
one team on the pitch.
We got the ship, but no one to control it.
43-57 in pos…. whats up with that!!!
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 10:27 PM CEST reply actions
Out of ideas, ladies and gentlemen.
Cazorla was the player who could make something out of nothing. But how to explain this level of defending?
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:28 PM CEST reply actions
Here's a chance
FK on edge of box in 89’. Goal difference…
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:30 PM CEST reply actions
Wide from Rossi
Just not his day, perhaps. Apparently he had a great chance in 20’ that hit Neuer?
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:32 PM CEST up reply actions
yes, he had.
Rossi finished well, and Neuer did well to save it…
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 10:33 PM CEST up reply actions
FT 0-2
Sounds like a deserved win for Bayern. I’m not shocked, but I expected a better gameplan when all we had to focus on was Ribery. Garrido at some fault, for my money.
Dust off and win in Granada, boys. Group A was not decided in one day.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:35 PM CEST reply actions
Need lots of improvements
We really need Borja. Need to be more positive and move the ball more. We need to come out of this loss as soon as possible and concentrate on the remaining fixtures. Surely other teams will get beaten as well. We need to go to Naples and get a positive result in the next game.
by Sporting_Villarreal on Sep 14, 2011 10:36 PM CEST reply actions
FT in Manchester: 1-1
Bayern Munich 3 (+2 GD), Manchester City 1 (0), Napoli 1 (0), Villarreal 0 (-2).
That second goal may hurt us a lot. But a win in Naples may put us back in second place, the way Bayern looked to me.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:37 PM CEST reply actions
Other results
Benfica 1-1 Man Utd
Dinamo Zagreb 0-1 Real Madrid
Inter 0-1 Trabzonspor
The lesson? Every team struggles in the Champions League.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:38 PM CEST reply actions
OUT with Garrido.
Better sooner than later…
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 10:38 PM CEST reply actions
0-2 and frankly it could have been worse
we were simply unable to take the ball away from Bayern in midfield. A loss to a superior team.
Actually we were pretty much overrun regardless of what we did, it looked like. Their experience really showed today, it seemed like every one-on-one ball went to them. And they were good at drawing fouls when they lost possession.
DeGuz a bit overawed today, I thought, but to be fair without anyone in midfield able to control the ball much….Senna was ineffective. Our best players were Zapata and Lopez today.
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give him time
plenty of good coaches have lost to Bayern. My main concern is that we don’t really know what our best lineup is even with Borja, so not surprising we don’t without him.
Do you think playing Wakaso or Oriol, or going to a 4-4-2 at the start, would have done better today? Hard to see on this evidence that it would have. We just have to put it aside and focus on the next game.
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Bayern
looked fitter, stronger and sharper than us. Around the hour mark we appeared to have run out of steam and ideas. Hardly created one worthwhile attempt on goal.
I rest my case on Bayern
As the best team in the group. Very solid performance even without their best player.
But you can lose to #1 and still be #2. Hope we don’t lose sight of that.
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by siempre_riquelme on Sep 14, 2011 10:49 PM CEST reply actions
I just don't think that
We had any plan, going on the pitch.
Our possession was bad. We are playing at home, against a good team, I know, but we should be able to pass the ball around.
Would like to know what Garrido had in mind before the match. Why not play Ruben from the start? he scored in the weekend!
Garrido should be assist, and another in charge. He already showed in last season that he isn’t ready, he might be in the future, but not now.
by Jens Kristian Nielsen on Sep 14, 2011 10:50 PM CEST reply actions
we can continue this debate on the recap thread
thanks to everyone for watching and commenting, just sorry we didn’t have more to enjoy….:(
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