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Jozy's Big Day

It's not Jozy Altidore's first goal in a Villarreal uniform:

But his goal yesterday against Besiktas led to a Villarreal win (forward to 5:05):

And it asks Sr. Roig and Juan Carlos Garrido a very important question: what is Jozy's future with Villarreal CF? El Periódico Mediterráneo rightfully highlighted Jefferson Montero, but the club site noted that Jozy was "very active in the game's final minutes." The game swung when Jozy came on for David Fuster in the 55th minute.

The contrasts are clear: Marco Ruben and David Fuster lack his strength, and Nilmar cannot match his pace. Jozy would fill Llorente's void, though Rossi will generally feature at center forward. But should Villarreal stunt his long-term development with spotty playing time at age 20? Not to mention his transfer value after South Africa.

Altidore looks to be motivated, fit, and battle-tested after the EPL and World Cup. His technical ability and attitude must improve, but with his raw talent, the sky's the limit. Another loan deal makes sense, waiting for Rossi or Nilmar to leave next summer, but an option to buy may push him out the door for good. Montero at winger means that David Fuster is Jozy's competition for the fourth striker position. So I'm hoping for a Fuster loan deal (Levante? Hércules?) or for Garrido to carry 5 forwards.

If Jozy stays, he will begin as a change of pace substitute. However, if he cannot crack this season's roster, both sides may wish to part. The club should recoup most (if not all) of his $10 million transfer fee, and Altidore needs to grow before Brazil 2014. Logic says that he should stay, but money and squad size disagree. What do you think?

Winners from yesterday:

  • Jozy Altidore. Has a role as a true center forward. Poacher's goal.
  • Rubén Cani. A goal, an assist, and lots of fouls received. Doing his job.
  • Jefferson Montero. Explosive. Brilliant assist, laying Cani's volley on a platter.

Losers:

  • David Fuster. Creates? Yes. Finishes? No. Has a role on the team? Maybe.
  • Carlos Marchena. 10% out of form. Just a post-South Africa layoff? I think so.
  • Nilmar. Also a bit off. May need Rossi to be comfortable.

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Not to mention this very important goal.

by sidarth on Aug 9, 2010 6:35 AM CEST reply actions  

hahaha Sid doing his best to sell Alitdore to Villarreal.
Will Roig/Garrido buy ?

by Aquafina on Aug 9, 2010 8:23 AM CEST up reply actions  

Another isssue w/Alitdore

1m Euro Salary
A bench player @ for 1 M euros a Season?

Thinsg to think about

by Aquafina on Aug 9, 2010 8:29 AM CEST up reply actions  

my 2 cents

Altidore:
Yes he did his part as CF/Pocher type Forward, but he still lacks good first touch.
Maybe he will get better, but I think to be fair to Altidore an EPL/Turkey or a team were he can play lots of minutes would develop him better.

The thing w/Altidore is he always starts well in the season and then tapers off.

Montero/Cani:
The match changed when Montero came on and combined well w/Cani.

Fuster: He does well w/Rossi, because he plays behind Rossi and doesn’t have to finish.

Ruben: I believe would have done well w/Rossi or Maontero on the Field

Nilmar: Plays best w/Rossi
Nilmar best suites as Wing forward or w/Technical SS supporting him

Best to Cash in W/Altidore NOW !

by Aquafina on Aug 9, 2010 8:21 AM CEST reply actions  

Ok Altidore, well first I’d like him to stay but thats being selfish, his game time could be very low unless Garrido goes back to the 4-3-3 that he used a bit last season. But there is no way Altidore is faster than Nilmar, he’s got more power but I reckon Nilmar would have him in a footrace, but thats a minor detail! I think Altidore has the talent to succeed in Spain, I thought he was a lost cause for us but the WC changed that. More than likely it’s a toss up between him and Marco Ruben.

Fuster, I’m a Fuster fan, he scored against all the big teams last year something which we shouldn’t forget because it’s one of the most valuable traits a player can have. At 27 I can’t see him being loaned out and I want to see him stay in any case. I definitely think he can be a valuable attribute, what with Cazorla’s injury problems and Montero’s inexperience I think he is an important squad player.

I’d have no worries about the form of Marchena or Nilmar, it was their first 45 minutes of football since the WC so I wasn’t expecting fireworks.

by Nick on Aug 9, 2010 12:18 PM CEST reply actions  

Altidore is stronger, but Nilmar can out pace Altidore anyday
( and that’s with ball on his feet)

by Aquafina on Aug 10, 2010 3:40 AM CEST up reply actions  

Our 23-man roster is really 21 if we exclude Gonzalo and one of the keepers (Oliva, I prefer); with international callups, injuries, etc. I think Fuster will get playing time and can contribute. I tend to agree with Nick—no need to loan him.

  As for Jozy, he’s still young, and I still don’t think we really know what we have. We loaned him to Xerez, which was a disaster; we loaned him to Hull, and that wasn’t the most stable situation, what with manager changes and money concerns. Unless we desperately need to get somethng for him and save the salary, I don’t see the reason to loan or sell. I don’t see anyone coming in with an offer anywhere close to what we paid for him right now; if they did I would change my mind, but “buy high, sell low” doesn’t appeal to me.

   Dowie (Hull’s last manager) liked him but thought he needed to work harder in training. Fine, let him train under Garrido and he can assess that for himself. Jozy should get some playing time—he adds a dimension of strength we don’t otherwise have—and as for ‘he starts well and then tails off’—we really don’t have enough information to judge.

     The downside of keeping him is if he doesn’t impress at all, or doesn’t play at all, we’ve spent another 1M on salary and he might be less marketable next time. But with a smaller squad than last year and Jozy providing some positive minutes both yesterday and at the WC…..I guess I’m speaking partly from the heart, too, but to me the positives outweigh the negatives of keeping him, unless Garrido can’t imagine using him at all.

by capercat on Aug 9, 2010 2:30 PM CEST reply actions  

I don’t see that much of a downside. But I think we are underestimating his effect on the locker room. Jozy reportedly was a negative influence at Xerez and Hull City, and with half a team of kids this season, there won’t be as much veteran control over him.

From my perspective, he’s 20 and has experienced great success at the international level, so some of it is frustration. Keep him, Sr. Roig.

by sidarth on Aug 10, 2010 4:32 PM CEST up reply actions  

And this is a very good sign. I’m looking forward to tonight.

by sidarth on Aug 10, 2010 4:34 PM CEST reply actions  

I feel myself getting on the bandwagon. I have never been his biggest supporter, but I have liked the way he has been playing, and if his lost weight and good condition are any sign, he is taking things seriously. The combination of that, along with the obvious skills, size, and quickness he brings, and I think we could make it work.

by maddi on Aug 10, 2010 7:57 PM CEST reply actions  

BREAKING

Alitdore’s agent shas informed ESPN that Altidore future to be decided this week.

2 EPL teams and 6 Turkish Teams are interested

by Aquafina on Aug 11, 2010 4:21 AM CEST reply actions  

…..plus a couple of French teams maybe. Agent also said ‘Jozy wants to be where he will get playing time’ (big surprise) but he has four years on his contract and Villarreal will want a big transfer fee. So I’m not sure whether we should actually read into it that Jozy isn’t staying, or just that the agent is hyping his client in the hope of generating a bid we will accept.

       Jozy played the entire second half; he drew a couple of fouls, had a few decent runs but looked jet-lagged, not surprisingly. And he had one horrible decision to shoot from an acute angle at goal (missed badly) when a cross was an obviously better option. But he was pretty much having to pick up the ball in midfield and run with it, and didn’t have anyone to play off or set him up so he could poach a goal.

  Rossi played 25-30 minutes for Italy vs. Ivory Coast, had a couple of good moments but nothing spectacular. He got soaked—it was raining quite hard in London.

Agents: GONZALO’S claims Villarreal have turned down several offers for him—both from South American and Spanish clubs. Not sure whether to believe this or not. It’s pretty clear he is not welcome at Villarreal, for reasons not necessarily related to his performance on the pitch, so I’d think the club would accept any reasonable offer just to be done with him and his salary.

by capercat on Aug 11, 2010 4:45 AM CEST reply actions  

^ Rossi came in @ 70" for Cassano in rain soaked game

by Aquafina on Aug 11, 2010 6:13 AM CEST up reply actions  

Altidore really didn’t need to be there in USA-Brazil, it was unneccessary.

Fly 16 hours + for 45 mniutes?

He should have stayed @ Vila-real

by Aquafina on Aug 11, 2010 6:15 AM CEST reply actions  

A nice article on Mateo Musacchio. And the B team came back to defeat a Hong Kong side 2-1. Iago Falque provided the assists on goals by Torres and Llorente.

by sidarth on Aug 11, 2010 6:37 AM CEST reply actions  

It’s a fine result for the B team, this team is in co-operation with Barcelona and adopting Barcelona-style football in HK, so far is progessed well. Meanwhile the team had signed few Spanish players who played in Segunda B sides, and the new comer Roberto Losada even played for Valladolid during 2003-2006

by Garry on Aug 11, 2010 11:59 AM CEST up reply actions  

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