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From Sevilla, through Valencia.

Welcome to the club, Carlos Marchena. The 31-year-old central defender has signed for 3 years from our local rivals Valencia CF, with whom he spent the past decade. Fabricio Fuentes left in January, while Diego Godín and Gonzalo Rodríguez are on their way out, so Marchena is a sorely-needed stabilizing force on our back line.

I like this signing. Let's look at the arguments for and against it. What do you think?

Cons:

  • Paying a transfer fee for a 31-year-old. Maybe illogical, but €2 million is nothing these days, even for a one-year buyout. And we've banked nearly €10 million from salary savings and transfer fees for Escudero and Llorente.
  • Too old. By comparison, Fabio Cannavaro and Carles Puyol each were 32 when they hoisted the World Cup. I'll grant that Marchena may not be a starter in two years, but the club has some experience in navigating that situation (see: Javi Venta).
  • Longtime Valencia captain. Los Che is our biggest rival, so weakening them is a good plan. And Marchena started his career with Sevilla, so we may have beaten them to another transfer target.

Pros:

  • World Cup champion. It can't hurt to have another one around. At the very least, Marchena will be a great role model for Musacchio, Catalá, and Kiko.
  • Knows La Liga. Top-flight football is as much about physical ability as knowing your opposition. And it would be nice to get a few veteran calls in our favor.
  • Starter at Euro 2008. Just as Senna, Cazorla, and Diego López were phased out of the Spanish squad by Vicente del Bosque, Marchena started alongside Puyol in 2008 but was replaced by Piqué by 2010. I like that a number of our Spanish players will have a chip on their shoulder coming into the season.

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In other news, Gonzalo Castellani should not occupy a foreign player slot on the B team. And Juan Carlos may reunite with his former coach on loan at Levante, despite his promotion to the A team.

by sidarth on Aug 2, 2010 6:15 AM CEST reply actions  

La entidad que preside Fernando Roig abonará unos
2,5 millones de euros
al Valencia.
www.as.com

by Aquafina on Aug 2, 2010 7:42 AM CEST reply actions  

In addition to the 10 mil you mention, there should be another 6 or so from the sale of Godin (assuming the fee is paid over two years), Gonzalo and Altidore are both being shopped. Bringing in cash and reducing debt is a good idea, but at the same time there is value to be had in this transfer market.

     I’m a little surprised it’s a 3-year deal rather than 2 because of his age and the fact we have Dervite in the B team as well as Mussachio, Kiko, Catala, Oriol with the A squad, but Marchena can fill in as a holding midfielder too if need be, and with Capdevila gives us some great experience at the back.

 
  With the Spanish financial situation and the UEFA rules on club finances coming in 2012, it’s been a rather quiet period so far. Villarreal have already said Marchena is our last planned signing of the summer. There will be some players coming onto the market yet—Manchester City is looking to change most of its squad, and new rules on homegrown players in the EPL means there will be some roster-juggling going on in the next week or so.

   Looking at last year’s final table and assessing this year’s transfer activity, what would we say: Valencia and Mallorca are clearly weaker now, Atletico Madrid (and hopefully Villarreal) should be stronger, Getafe and Sevilla have basically stayed where they were?

by capercat on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM CEST reply actions  

I’d say Getafe are weaker, having lost Pedro Leon and Roberto Soldado. Certainly Mallorca and Valencia are weaker; Sevilla has been treading water now for a few years.

by sidarth on Aug 2, 2010 5:22 PM CEST up reply actions  

Getaafe have strengthened (?) their squad with Arizmendi and Marcano. LOL

Sevilla have signed Mouhamadou Dabo from St Etienne and Guarente from Atalanta but transferred Adriano to Barca. One can’t see them being any better than last season.

Valencia and Mallorca definitely weaker whilst Atletico could improve under Quique Flores.

We should be thinking of at least a top six finish.

by Kenez on Aug 2, 2010 8:50 PM CEST up reply actions  

Interesting comments:
Marchena admits that Valencia did not want to pay his salary. He hopes that the transfer fee can put a brick in the new stadium. And Valencia fans are sad.
Godin slaps the club by calling it “structured but small.” He claims that Atletico will fight for titles, forgetting their 14-year title drought until last season’s Europa League. And Atletico was relegated in 1999-2000. Not classy, Diego.

by sidarth on Aug 2, 2010 5:29 PM CEST reply actions  

Expected better from godin, considering the main motivation for his move has to be money. Can’t wait to finish ahead of them next season.
And lets face it our central defence was laughable last season, this overhaul has to be beneficial.

by Nick on Aug 2, 2010 7:08 PM CEST up reply actions  

I’m definitely disappointed as well, both in the decision to leave (to Atleti) and in his sentiments.

I am an will remain a Godin fan (although that will be a lot easier if and when he moves on from Atletico at some point in the future, assuming this all happens), but there are better ways to show your excitement for your new team than to put down your old club.

by maddi on Aug 2, 2010 7:47 PM CEST up reply actions  

A few days ago I would have said that I was disappointed in Godín for leaving and for Villarreal selling one of our key players to one of our closest rivals. Over the past few seasons very few players have actually left Villarreal of the own accord most come to the end of their contract or are forced out. Earlier this year Villarreal were said to have offered him an improved contract that he was in no hurry to take up. Now it seems that there are other reasons behind this move than the need to boost Villarreal’s bank balance.

by Kenez on Aug 2, 2010 8:32 PM CEST up reply actions  

I think it’s great that Godin and Forlan will be together, and I wish them well except when they play us (I am not an Atletico hater) but if I start to miss Godin too much, I can always watch the first part of the Zaragoza match highlights and feel better.
   Our central defence this year has to be better than that.

by capercat on Aug 2, 2010 8:48 PM CEST up reply actions  

Marchena came across as very classy. Godin not so much. It’s fine to refer to a ‘small’ club (in terms of population of the area, at least) as a good place to get used to Spain, so I didn’t mind that, but “now I’m ready to compete for a trophy”?? Hello?

There seems to be a good deal of buzz in the last day or so about Rossi maybe returning to Man Utd. I know Sir Alex has said they don’t plan any more major moves in this transfer window, but then he would say that.

    It is interesting to note though: Rossi, I believe, would qualify as a “homegrown player” under the terms of the new Premier League rules, at least as I read them, due to his affiliation with Man Utd for three years prior to him turning 21. Premier League clubs are required to have 8 such players in their first 25 by the end of this transfer window; Man Utd probably has a greater chance than most of meeting that number, but I do not know how many of their current roster qualifies—and some that do like Welbeck might get loaned out….so I think a Rossi move to Man Utd might be plausible. I believe the buyback clause is for something like 10 million Euros, isn’t it?

by capercat on Aug 2, 2010 7:12 PM CEST reply actions  

I don’t know. Sure, it is a huge club, perhaps the biggest, but Rossi was just snubbed by the Azzurri. While the chances of that happening again are next to nil, he has to look at the fact that the entire team played in Serie A. He is more Italian than he is anything else, and I would be shocked if his move – be it this summer or next – is not to one of the top teams in Italy.

And I do not believe there is a buyback clause; rather, I think it is a first-option on him when he is sold.

by maddi on Aug 2, 2010 7:44 PM CEST up reply actions  

maddi is right, mu is stupid rumors

by jackson on Aug 2, 2010 11:02 PM CEST up reply actions  

If I didn’t remember wrongly, the first-option-to-MU clause is 2-year-long only starting from Rossi being sold to Villarreal.

by Garry on Aug 3, 2010 10:49 PM CEST up reply actions  

my bad…I meant to say first option TO buy back. “We’ve got a clause in his contract where he could come back to us at some point” is what Ferguson said when he sold him.
       Of course who knows what is actually going on, if anything, but so far I’ve heard Rossi saying he’d welcome a big Italian club to make a bid for him, I’ve heard his agent claiming Inter is interested, but haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere else…. the Man U rumour seems to be generating some Twitter traffic, at least.
   Of course with Berbatov, Rooney, Chicharito et al. they need another striker like a hole in the head….so there’s probably nothing to it, just another scheme to sell papers and increase internet traffic….

by capercat on Aug 2, 2010 8:36 PM CEST reply actions  

Godin will remain on vacation until his transfer is finalized. Good idea. And Gonzalo is on his way out, if some team will take him.

by sidarth on Aug 3, 2010 5:18 PM CEST reply actions  

It looks as though there will be a new occupant of the doghouse this season.

by Kenez on Aug 3, 2010 8:12 PM CEST up reply actions  

jajajaja

by jackson on Aug 3, 2010 10:42 PM CEST up reply actions  

Random question – did Pires retire or is he playing somewhere else in the world?

by alex on Aug 4, 2010 3:43 AM CEST reply actions  

as far as I know he is still looking for a club. He turned down an approach from Caen (newly promoted to Ligue Un) in early July, that’s the latest I heard. I haven’t seen anything that has said he has retired.

by capercat on Aug 4, 2010 4:30 AM CEST up reply actions  

today’s Guardian states Blackburn Rovers are interested in Pires; he has already approached Paris StGermain and Marseille without any luck

by capercat on Aug 4, 2010 2:58 PM CEST up reply actions  

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