Result: Villarreal 1-1 Valencia

Nice interview, Sid, and I’ll be happy if maddi’s predicted scoreline is as good. El Madrigal should be full, and Garrido will have his boys ready to roll.
    For those unable to watch tomorrow (like me, sadly), espn3 will have it available to watch later.
 I’ll go for 3-1 to the Submarine as well, goals by Nilmar, Rossi, and Cazorla. ENDAVANT VILLARREAL!!

Biggest match of the year, in my book. Must-win to be in the Champions League next season. I foresee a very hard-fought match and would be happy with 3 points any way we can get it. 2-1 to Villarreal with a late winner.

Thanks for the praise, maddi. Can you put up the link to ForzaFutbol on the banner, along with this year’s squad previews? See you tomorrow.

Next time Senna is NA, Garrdo should go w/Diamond 442 and Keep Valero in wings

Valero_Cani_Cazorla
______Bruno______

It’s live on ESPN3 @ 12est/9pst

So ESPN bought rights to some liga games, just to stick them all on ESPN3?

Gonzalo linked away…and valued at 9m euros?

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/11/20/2222752/villarreal-defender-gonzalo-rodriguez-linked-with-palermo

I would have believed this a year and a half ago, before last season got underway. But it seems a little nuts right now. I could see a situation if Garrido really valued Catala that he could let him go, and perhaps we could get 3m for him. But it still seems crazy.

Interview with Bruno in El País. “We know that we’re good”

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Sabemos/somos/buenos/elpepidep/20101120elpepidep_4/Tes

We have dominated the opening 20 mins, no real chances though!

Villarreal 0-1

Own Goal.

Midfield playing terrible.
Once again Cani playing more in the middle istead of wings

Only players who were playing well are Rossi, Valero and Nilmar, the rest thing they are on a vacy

Congrats to Marchena for scoring for his team :P

Good chance for Capdevila on Right foot, saved by moya

Cani, Especially Valero and Cazorla need to step it up

That was not a offisde

Great pass from Rossi to Capdevila for a goal

WHERE WAS THE OFFISDE?

My Error, Valencia goal was off Gonzalo not Marchena !

please do not re-sign Cani VCF

Need the left wing to open up, I would put Valero there and add Senna in teh middle

Gonzalo is bit slow today

Valero yellow, misses the next game

SUB NEEDED SENOR GARRIDO

Capdevila with a bad injury :(

PK not given, Rossi brought dow, , handle pulled him down

Ruben in for Capdevila

After playing good for 25", Valero had STINKER #2

GOAAAAAAAAAALllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

1-1

Bruno to Rossi for ZZZ goal

TOLD U NEED SENNA :p

WHAT A MISS

That should have been 2-1….

1-1

I have to say Valero in the middle is failing. He didn’t step for the 2nd game in row.

Matilla or Senna should have started.

Should have won, but w/ way things were going 1-1 is good result.

Bruno sure can play as LB, (Pellergini taught him well)

Not many chances created by Villarreal, but 1 good chance = 1 goal

I hope capdevila injury is not serious

The refs once again are messy craps, all offsides of Villarreal in this game are not offsides at all.
btw, I bet the team needs fortress 30m outside, that will give us more space around the penalty area at the opposite side

Villarreal were clearly superior but Valencia were concerned about the pace of Nilmar and Rossi came out with three at the back and a five man midfield to try stop Villarreal playing. Shows a lack of ambition from a team that supposedly aims to be in the CL.

Once again the referee got the big decisions wrong.

Garrido turns his back on Emery at the end of the game. Strange this as last week Guardiola would not shake hands with Garrido.

http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/garrido-le-niega-mano-unai/20101120dasdasftb_46/Tes

We didn’t deserve all 3 points, based on our play in the midfield. Very negative football from Valencia in general, kind of like what a mid-level EPL team would do at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But we should expect that kind of treatment and find ways to work around it. Credit Valencia for an away point with an injury-ravaged squad.

Poor defending on Valencia’s goal (practically their only dangerous chance of the match), which allowed them to sit back and soak up pressure for 70 minutes. Not enough clear-cut chances for us due to a lack of width. This was a game for Montero if I’ve seen one.

And in reading the match recaps, poor sportsmanship from Garrido. As people were saying at the end of last season, maybe the power has gone to his head. I think Valencia is our biggest rival, but to be honest, they are generally a class act.

On the refs, they committed many fouls, sure, but the disparity was a bit over the top. We received pretty fortunate officiating, in my opinion, and especially in comparison to last season. But we were effectively playing against 10 for most of the second half and still couldn’t find a way to break through, as Aduriz was out on an island up front.

@ Sid

Oh Please, the ref did have a influence in the game.

Yes last year Villarreal were treated bad by the USELESS Liga refs, that doesn’t mean now
the refs should give some calls and not others, and the Villarreal fans should be happy

Too bad for Spain it’s soccer/football is good but the REFS ARE GARABAGE and decide too many games.

That doesn’t hide the fact: Garrido got outsmarted today (In experience showed)

-> Show me where there is offisde here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYR9gAzwnGI

Bruno , I was impressed with him as LB, he played well there.
Maybe he should play in Left wing once Capdevila is back. looks like Villarreal have good LB/W waiting in the wings

1-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA6QfgE-1p8

I still don’t get it why Villarreal start slow and are still don’t do well in counters by other tEAMS

0-1
bad defending here, and A bit unlucky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh2pZ9eIYIo

sidarth says:
11/20/2010 at 17:15
And in reading the match recaps, poor sportsmanship from Garrido. As people were saying at the end of last season, maybe the power has gone to his head.

I think Valencia is our biggest rival, but to be honest, they are generally a class act.

Were a Class Act, No More lol

Presidente y expresidente del Valencia tuvieron un enfrentamiento en palco
http://www.elperiodicomediterraneo.com/noticias/noticia.asp?pkid=614929

1. Allen says:
what’s with Garrido not shaking hands with Emery? Anything to do with the TV contract spat, or something else?

May have somthing to do with this

Presidente y expresidente del Valencia tuvieron un enfrentamiento en palco

I have only seen the goals and the Capdevila “offside”, but here are a couple of comments.

 (1) the goal is in many ways a carbon copy of others we’ve given up. Why is it that as our defense retreats you see them looking around almost as if they have predetermined positions they’re taking up, but they don’t react to either the winger making the cross (we never seem to block these sorts of crosses) or the striker coming into the box. Capdevila and Gonzalo are both in the box, Aduriz splits them. yes, it was an unlucky goal—Capdevila’s attempted clearance went right to Aduriz—but so what.

 (2) the offside: yet again the attacker and last man were even (in fact, if you look at Capdevila’s feet, they are farther from the goal than the defender’s) but because of the body lean of the two players it LOOKS as though the attacker is ahead. We benefited from a call like this against Levante—was it?
  
    The offside rule, as written, is confusing, but it seems to me that the league (or even FIFA, since this came up at the WC as well) could surely issue a “rule interpretation” clarifying these sorts of situations to give the benefit to the attacker. Maybe they have, but in all leagues, not just La Liga, too often these sorts of situations get whistled back.

(3) Rossi’s goal was beautiful. More later.

Half time CÓRDOBA 0-0 VILLARREAL B

Córdoba reduced to 10 men shortly before half time. Direct red card to Charles.

0-0, 71’. Facundo Coria sent off for his second yellow, so 10v10. Not a good return to the lineup for him.

FT 0-0. A goal would’ve lifted the B team into a tie for 7th, but it was not to be. Disappointing after being a man up for 30+ minutes, but a point away from home is OK.

Full time CÓRDOBA 0-0 VILLARREAL B

Villarreal B also reduced to ten in the final minutes. Who it was not known at the moment.

B team hosts bottom-of-the-table Tenerife next, then play Nastic in Tarragona. We need to win both of those. I’m still not convinced by Gracia, but at least we have two clean sheets in a row.

O.k so the Rossi pass to Capdevila was offside per fifa interpretation of the offside rule for 10/11

Fifa (<- Rolleyes fifa is full of BS) keep changing the interpretation

2 Offisdes calls:
1) per the new FIFA interpretation Rossi pass to capdevila was offide, since his head is ahead of teh defender
20 However, then the ref inccorrectly called Bruno offside in last few minutes since Bruno was in level w/Defender

We have new Zidane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTU3ZUtD1Vc

2 more tough matches(VS Seville away and VS RM at home) to guarantee our 3rd position at the 1st half season.
btw, good news that Seville lost to Mallorca at home

OK, now I have seen the replay of the Valencia match I have some comments; mostly I agree with you guys. And I am sorry this post is so long!
     
   Even knowing how the match played out, it was interesting to watch. Emery’s tactics were very good—not only did he pack the defense in the 5-4-1, but he also pressed high up the pitch. Especially the first 10-15 mins Villarreal couldn’t move the ball out of their own half before losing possession. When we did mount attacks, we looked potentially dangerous, particularly w/Capdevila going forward, and Cani as well. Valencia’s goal was lucky, yes, but they were the somewhat better team for the first 40 minutes or so. Interestingly the Capdevila goal disallowed for offside (and/or the Navarro injury) marked a turning point—the last 5 minutes of the first half we played far better, and that carried on into the second half.
     
      I give credit to Garrido for the Ruben substitution—not what I would have expected. By moving Bruno to LB not only did he bring in someone who would continue to attack down that side, but suddenly by putting Ruben in as a third attacker he gave Nilmar and Rossi—especially Nilmar—room to operate, where up until then there had been little. Immediately Nilmar had chances, and he and Rossi could feed each other. And suddenly Rossi had some space too; up until then he had been trying to do too much, beating one guy only to find two more defending him.

   However, after the Rossi goal I have no idea what happened. Passes went astray, midfield was weak (actually, I thought the period from our goal until the sending off was the worst we played all game), and even a man up we put no pressure on the ball. We created some half-chances, but even at the end, in injury time, we nearly allowed an attack to create a last-gasp goal. Just ridiculous.

specific players:

  GK: Lopez not at fault for goal, in general OK. Not sure he always picked out the best option to try to move the ball upfield against pressure.

     Back 4: I gather Mussachio was a late scratch; Gonzalo was pretty bad in the first half, played a bit better afterwards, had one good tackle as I recall. Marchena was great for me—I counted 3 or 4 times when he made key interceptions/clearances/tackles to deny clear shots on goal. Capdevila until injured was a great attacking force, Angel was decent. I expect we will lose Capdevila for a while if his ankle injury is as bad as it looked.

   Midfield: Cani was probably the best of the group today, I didn’t think Borja was as bad as Aquafina and some others did, but he didn’t have a great game either. Neither one of his first-half falls in the penalty area were worth a penalty for me, btw. Santi was OK but again not his best, I’m sure he’s black and blue from Banega’s persistent fouls. Bruno likewise OK but not his best. Senna was in the game when we equalized, yes, but he didn’t really do much positive while he was in there that I saw.

  1st half especially we didn’t really figure out how to play against the formation Valencia threw at us. They succeeded in breaking up play and we never got any space for the sort of diagonal passes Borja and Santi are so good at. Cani made some good runs and had a couple of shots narrowly off-target, beating the keeper from one of them, but Capdevila read the game better than our midfield did—he offered attacking options the midfield didn’t.

   Attackers: Little linkup between Nilmar and Rossi- Valencia effectively took it away. Even so, Rossi scored a goal, had a decent chance for another, a half-shout at a penalty as well (could have been given, but would have been controversial had it been). Ruben’s introduction and tactical change helped things but his falling down in the penalty area in injury time was silly and really called for a yellow card I thought.

Referee: borderline offside went against us, possible penalty appeal turned down, but I can’t feel strongly about either one. We were guilty of playing too much for yellows though, and I think the ref, and probably most observers, felt we were falling too easily in the penalty area to award anything. Aquafina is right about the Bruno offside in added time—it wasn’t.

Coach: Garrido fell victim to Emery’s experience and crafty game plan, but I thought his change of formation in the second half gave us the opportunity to come back and earn a point. Senna for Valero was to avoid a second yellow I think, plus Borja had taken some hard fouls. I expect we would’ve seen Montero had he been available. Even w/Valencia’s excellent play we could have scored a second goal in the last 5 minutes plus injury time—we just couldn’t quite get the breaks or connect the passes.
   I don’t blame Emery for setting out to not lose. I am sure he figured with their injuries he would likely lose an open, flowing game, and with the current standings and the importance of the CL moneys he could not afford to drop this match. We may well see other teams try this approach at El Madrigal, and Garrido needs to plan for it.
    I don’t know why, having had success pressuring the ball against Athletic and fighting hard in the first half for possession, at least, against Barca, we were so passive today. I didn’t think it was specifically “midfield that lacked bite”; it was our game plan, or execution, that lacked bite, and also patience. We didn’t play through challenges, preferring to try to get the easy free kick; we didn’t challenge them for possession in their half enough—when we did, they gave the ball away cheaply sometimes.
     
       As for the non-handshake at the end, well Garrido certainly never looked toward Emery—he was already well onto the pitch when Emery came out along the touchline, hand outstretched. Garrido didn’t snub him directly by refusing to shake hands,but he did so indirectly. He’s since said he didn’t mean anything by it, he and Emery are still friends, etc. but I hope before the Copa match in the Mestalla something is done to lay this controversy, such as it may be, to rest. We don’t need it.
 
   Hopefully the Capdevila injury is not too bad. I guess we lose Borja for the next match, too.

Capdevila -> seen walkning around. Likely a bad sprain, may be rested for the next match

Bruno / Nilmar -> Carring knocks (nothing serious) only worked out in GYM

Garrido: Should learn from Valencia match, and make adjustements quicker in tactics
during the match when faced w/Emery like tactical situation

Ruben: Did help open the space for Rossi and Nilmar, where exactly did he play?
Behind them in Diamond 442 ? or as LW. I couldn’t figure it out

Allen,
You are right I watched the 2nd half again, and Senna did NADA when he came on, looks like he’s off form/not really fit.

Facundo Coria, replaced Hernan Perez in 71st minute and lasted only nine minutes after collecting two yellow cards. Match report here:

http://www.marca.com/2010/11/21/futbol/2adivision/1290368285.html

Allen says:
11/22/2010 at 09:15
I watched some of the last half hour again–I apologise to Rossi, should have been a penalty around 60?–he beat the defender who pulled him down, grabbing his sleeve. Ref had a good view, didn’t give it, I would have; not as soft as I first thought.

da allen,
tat is a clear pk , unless of course u r a liga ref who prefer big clubs
d g.rossi is turning & is pulled down, (by hand pull),
but da ruben went swimming. 4 me da ref missed clear 1 offisde & 1clear pk 4 da vcf
sad but true da liga refs r not good

also,
da facts r da facts
da vcf missed a chance 2 win, should win a match like this, where valencia had many injuries.
4 me da midfield needs 2 deal w/high pressure & 451 type of match or it will be tough season

Zonal marking on the match
Lack of width and 3 Central defenders was the probelm in the first half

The two wing-backs were charged with taking care of the interiores, and here it was notable that Miguel did quite well up against Cani – Cani always came inside,

Miguel was able to tackle on his stronger side. He and Bruno played very narrow.

This is why when Cani plays, Garrido should play Valero on the Left.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/11/21/villarreal-1-1-valencia-emerys-three-man-defences-copes-with-two-strikers-but-not-three/

Am I in need of more morning coffee, or does the zonalmarking article have the midfield flip-flopped?

Villarreal-Sevilla 19.00 hours Sunday 5th December.

according 2 da ser, da vcf is interested in cavani 2 replace nilmar or g.rossi this summer.

i doubt he will be cheap as he doing very well w/napoli

story about Villarreal w/Diego Lopez and Senna interviews:

 http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1339641.html

not sure calling Castellon a “southeast province” is entirely accurate, but otherwise it’s pretty good….

Full Highlights (If you missed the match)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbrLbG0LIZk

Hard to tell which is worse, English press or Spanish referees.

     Earlier this week Joan Capdevila was quoted (in EPM I believe it was) to the effect that his contract renewal talks hadn’t started but he expected them to take about 15 minutes—he wants to stay, and Sr. Roig has already said we intend to resign him.
    Today the Daily Mirror reports “Liverpool is on alert as Capdevila talks hit roadblock!” The “roadblock” reported is that Capdevila wants a two year deal and Villarreal policy is to offer a 32 year-old player a one-year deal. Funny, we signed Marchena (31) for three years just this summer.
     Perhaps the Mirror is confusing our policy with that of Arsenal; as I recall we signed a 32-year old midfielder to a three-year contract from that very team. Some French dude, did pretty well for us I think….

English press = Spanish referees = both are crap